Notes on the Celestron Ultima C8

Notes on the Celestron Ultima C8.

With lots of comments on celestial tourism in general.

Genesis

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I've been an astronomy nut for decades. More than I care to count. Much of that time has been spent searching for the best bang-for-your-buck telescope. As a youth, I figured out that I couldn't put a 200" (5m) telescope (At the time, it was far and away the largest telescope out there) in my backyard. Never mind that its lowest usable visual power is around 700x. Compromises would have to be made.

I wound up building a 6" (15cm for the metric mavens) f/10 reflector, and even made its mirror, and in the clear Colorado skies in which I lived, it was lovely. Alt azimuth mounted, I could find most objects of interest with the Skalnate-Pleso atlas and a nearby bright star.

I considered most other telescope types, but, as far as image sharpness and light gathering power was concerned, nothing but nothing beat the Newtonian reflector. Refractors, despite their rock solid durability, unsurpassed sharpness, and field flatness, just didn't gather enough light and were awesomely expensive. A well made and aligned 6" (15cm) reflector easily outperformed the 4" refractors that cost triple or quadruple the price of the reflector, and gave better images for most objects.

Then along came the Celestron, the first of the widely available Schmidt-Cassegrainians, and, while expensive, it had reasonable light gathering power and excellent portability. However, careful research revealed that:

For me, this eliminated the Schmidt-Cass as a viable telescope. This theoretical impression was confirmed by looking through a couple of Celestrons (or were they Meades?) at Stellafane a while ago. Bad images. I started referring to Celestrons as "OGTs" [Orange Garbage Tubes]. I built 6 other Newtonian telescopes, and my current 10" (25cm) f/6 is a delightful example of the Dobsonain design. John agreed, and graciously consented to autograph my telescope. "Inspected and passed, John Dobson". I was immensely proud.

This optically exquisite telescope now gathers dust.

You see, I was looking for a telescope that would fit into my Saturn SL-2, and my 10" (25cm) f/6 Dobsonain in a rigid tube cannot do this. On Craig's List, I found an 8" (20cm) Celestron Ultima for a very reasonable price. It fit into the back seat and trunk of the Saturn, with room to spare. A pre-purchase look through the telesecope at Venus revealed no serious problems, so I bought it.

The delights of an accurate clock drive were soon apparent. Tracking at 500 power, which, on a good night, the Dob was optically capable of, was possible on objects other than Polaris.

The drive is one of the joys of this telescope. At my dark sky site, where it is very quiet, I have at times wondered if the drive was still on, as I couldn't hear it. It will run all night, indeed, for several nights, on a single 9v alkaline battery. It has done this at temperatures well below freezing.

Accurate setting circles, on a carefully aligned mount, allowed objects far from bright stars to be located in very little time at all, without star hopping. Wow. The Celestron came with a driven RA circle. <I can hear you guys with go-to mounts sniggering, but this was a big deal for me.>

Much to my amazement, and I do mean amazement, the optics the Celestron were superb. I could drop in a 4mm Orthoscopic and, by golly, find myself looking at the diffraction patterns of whatever double star I was trying to resolve (provided, of course, that the air above me was steady!). Despite the very real theoretical complaints of an oversized secondary and non-optimized tube length and corrector, the optics would hold, on those rare, steady nights, 500 power. There is very little difference between the out of focus star patterns inside and outside of the focus, once I had realigned the secondary. I think the telescopes I had looked through previously were poorly aligned, or perhaps the optics were not well made. The design flaws, listed above, were real, and, on an optical bench, you'd be able to detect them but they are not significant when looking at stars through the eyepiece. Air turbulence pretty much swamped the deleterious effects mentioned above. The atmosphere was, and is, the worst optical problem any telescope has to deal with.

Schmidt Cassegrainians are often excoriated by their owners for focus shift and backlash. As you focus one of these telescopes the primary mirror rotates about a helix which doubles as the light baffle that extends through the hole in the center of the mirror. If the primary mirror is not exactly perpendicular to this helix/baffle, the object you're looking at moves a bit as you focus the telescope. This can be very annoying.

If the gears in the focusing train are even a little loose, there will be "backlash" in the focusing train, that is, you turn the focusing knob and nothing happens until all the gears touch. Also annoying, but not as bad as the focus shift. Now that I've described these problems, I'm pleased to report that my sample Ultima has no discernible focus shift and only a tiny amount of backlash. It's a very well made telescope.

The Celestron Ultima Mount

This mount is the heaviest mount Celestron made for an 8 (20cm) inch telescope. It is far from perfect, however. The slightest bump will cause it to vibrate in declination for around 5-10 seconds, and at high power especially, this is annoying. That said, once you lock it on an object it stays on that object. Change eyepieces, and the object is unmoved, if jiggly. The Byers drive tracks with unerring accuracy, provided your polar axis is within a few arc-minutes of the north celestial pole

The setting circles are accurate, albeit a bit small. It's easy to be off by up to a quarter degree, especially if the mount is not precisely aligned to the pole. This can be important when finding faint objects.

The mount's drive can run all night and then some on a single 9v battery. Not bad at all.

The telescope is adjustable. You can adjust the setting circles, the secondary, and the mount. All of these must be accurately set for the telescope to perform well. It's worth the effort.

On a windy night, a pillow, stuffed under the telescope between the fork arms helps damp out the declination jiggle mentioned above.

I've found the 8x50 "Polaris" finder on my telescope to be only marginally useful. The optics in it are poor. The rear objective surface is not coated, and the images lack sharpness. Given the light pollution mentioned above, almost all of the objects I observe are invisible in the finder. I keep it on the telescope only because it is fairly useful in beginning an alignment on its namesake, thereby allowing the setting circles to do the real finding. It is very easy to knock this finder out of allignment. A recently acquired telrad finder is more accurate, as it stays in allignment.

This is an older, unsupported telescope.

Celestron, I'm told, no longer supplies the electronics for this telescope. This could be a problem, as the drive requires them. (I suspect that someone more compentent in EE than I could easily cobble together a replacement board from components bought at radio shack)

Rod Mollise, who has written extensively on the Schmidt Cassegrainian telescope, points out that the current crop of Schmidt Casses are not quite as well built as the earlier models. Click here for the article.

Summary

What I like:
What I don't like, and all but the first are minor quibbles.